 Abt 1784 - Yes, date unknown
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Mary Gubbins, b. 1779, Bayton, Cornwall, England  d. Aft 1861, Devon, England (Age 83 years) |
| Notes |
Married:
- There are two boys named John (John #3 and John #4 below) whose parents are listed on original documents as John and Mary Turner, baptised by W. Rooker, in the same church register, in Tavistock, Devon.
John #1 Turner - possible father of John #2
John #2 Turner - husband of Mary, listed as father of John #3 and
John #3 Gubbins - b.5 Nov c 18 Nov 1817 (the "s" is clearly visible in the record)
John #4 Turner - b. 20 Jan 1819 c.4 Feb 1819
Soome possibilities:
John (#3) Gubbins Turner died young - His parents (John #2 and Mary) re-used his name for John #4 as was common in that era. Following the British Isles naming convention, John #2 Turner's first son should be named after his father - John #1. One problem with this theory is that a John Gubbins Turner with the same birth date as John #3 Gubbins was transported to Australlia and died there in 1888. One problem with this theory is that John #4 Turner was not listed as John Gubbins in the christening book. Perhaps an omission, or by design to differentiate, but an anomaly either way since the parents and the minister were the same.
John (#3) Gubbins Turner was adopted - His biological mother possibly died when he was born, and perhaps his father (a Gubbins), was dead or unable to provide care. Mary and John #2 would have reason to adopt him if John #3 Gubbins was Mary's nephew, possibly the son of her brother and his deceased wife. One additional point supporting the adoption theory is Elizabeth "Eliza" Turner was b. 20 Nov 1816 slightly less than one year before John #3 Gubbins was born. It's somewhat unusual for births to be this close even at that time. Subsequent children were more spaced out. This theory is compatible with John #3 Gubbins dying in Australia in 1888.
John (#4) - was John #2 and Mary's first biological son. In this case "John #4 Turner" was not re-used, it was required by convention that he be named after John #1. [5]
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| Children |
| + | 1. Elizabeth Turner, "Eliza", b. 20 Nov 1816, Tavistock, Devon, England d. 1902, Barnstaple, Devonshire, England (Age 85 years) |
| | 2. John Gubbins Turner, b. 5 Nov 1817, Tavistock, Devon, England d. 1888, Australia (Age 70 years) |
| | 3. John Turner, b. 20 Jan 1819, Tavistock, Devon, England |
| + | 4. Matilda Turner, b. 1 Jul 1822, Tavistock, Devon, England d. 21 Sep 1905, Mountain View, Santa Clara Co., CA (Age 83 years) |
| | 5. Jane Turner, b. 1824 d. Yes, date unknown |
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| Family ID |
F2627 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Last Modified |
19 May 2020 |
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| Documents |
 | John Gubbins Turner - Christening record.
Name: John Gubbins Turner
Birth Date: 5 Nov 1817
Event Type: Baptism
Father: John Turner
Mother: Mary Turner
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1817
Baptism Place: Tavistock, Devon, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 0451: Tavistock (Independent), 1796-1837
Source Citation
The National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; General Register Office: Registers of Births, Marriages and Deaths surrendered to the Non-parochial Registers Commissions of 1837 and 1857; Class Number: RG 4; Piece Number: 451
Source Information
Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013. |
 | John Turner - Christening record
Name: John Turner
Birth Date: 20 Jan
Event Type: Baptism
Father: John Turner
Mother: Mary Turner
Baptism Date: 4 Feb 1819
Baptism Place: Tavistock, Devon, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 0451: Tavistock (Independent), 1796-1837
Source Citation
The National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; General Register Office: Registers of Births, Marriages and Deaths surrendered to the Non-parochial Registers Commissions of 1837 and 1857; Class Number: RG 4; Piece Number: 451
Source Information
Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013. |
 | Matilda Turner - Baptism record
Name: Matilda Turner
Birth Date: 1 Jul 1822
Event Type: Baptism
Father: John Turner
Mother: Mary
Baptism Date: 14 Aug 1822
Baptism Place: Tavistock, Devon, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 0451: Tavistock (Independent), 1796-1837
Source Citation
The National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; General Register Office: Registers of Births, Marriages and Deaths surrendered to the Non-parochial Registers Commissions of 1837 and 1857; Class Number: RG 4; Piece Number: 451
Source Information
Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013. |
 | Elizabeth Turner - Baptism record
Name: Elizabeth Turner
Birth Date: 20 Nov
Event Type: Baptism
Father: John Turner
Mother: Mary Turner
Baptism Date: 19 Dec 1816
Baptism Place: Tavistock, Devon, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 0451: Tavistock (Independent), 1796-1837
Source Citation
The National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; General Register Office: Registers of Births, Marriages and Deaths surrendered to the Non-parochial Registers Commissions of 1837 and 1857; Class Number: RG 4; Piece Number: 451
Source Information
Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013. |
 | 1851 England Census - John Turner family
Name: John Turner
Age: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1784
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Turner
Gender: Male
Where born: Nth Petherwin, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Tavistock
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Tavistock
Sub-registration district: Buckland
Household schedule number: 22
Piece: 1883
Folio: 320
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
John Turner 67
Mary Turner 71
Elizabeth Turner 35
Source Citation
Class: HO107; Piece: 1883; Folio: 320; Page: 5; GSU roll: 221032
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.
Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851. |
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| Notes |
- Occupation listed as "butcher" on the Devon baptism record for his daughter Matilda. [6]
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| Sources |
- [SAuth] John Spencer Howell, Jr., John Spencer Howell, Jr., (http://www.jhowell.com/ jhowell@jhowell.com).
- [S1735] The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, FamilySearch.org, ((http://www.familysearch.org)), ).
England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8), 1588-1977," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ61-L5G : 11 December 2014), Matilda Turner, 14 Aug 1822, Baptism; citing p. 37, Tavistock, Devon, record group RG4, Public Record Office, London.
- [S1735] The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, FamilySearch.org, ((http://www.familysearch.org)), accessed 18 May 2020), entry for John Turner, person ID M6QW-S9J.
- [S1807] 1851 England and Wales Census, https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851&indiv=try&h=6781543.
Name: John Turner
Age: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1784
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Turner
Gender: Male
Where born: Nth Petherwin, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Tavistock
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Tavistock
Sub-registration district: Buckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Piece: 1883
Folio: 320
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
John Turner 67
Mary Turner 71
Elizabeth Turner 35
- [S518] John Spencer Howell, Jr., John Spencer Howell, Jr., (http://www.jhowell.com/ jhowell@jhowell.com), research notes.
- [S1815] National Archives of the UK, England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970, Name: Matilda Turner Birth Date: 1 Jul 1822 Event Type: Baptism Father: John Turner Mother: Mary Baptism Date: 14 Aug 1822 Baptism Place: Tavistock, Devon, England Denomination: Independent Piece Title: Piece 0451: Tavistock (Independent).
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