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Elizabeth Turner, "Eliza"[1]

Female 1816 - 1902  (85 years)


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  • Name Elizabeth Turner  [2, 3, 4, 5
    Suffix "Eliza" 
    Born 20 Nov 1816  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 3, 4, 5
    Christened 19 Dec 1816  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    Gender Female 
    FamilySearch ID M8GW-FQY 
    FamilySearch URL https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/M8GW-FQY 
    Died 1902  Barnstaple, Devonshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Person ID I10930  Main
    Last Modified 19 May 2020 

    Father John Turner,   b. Abt 1784, Petherwin, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Mother Mary Gubbins,   b. 1779, Bayton, Cornwall, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1861, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 83 years) 
    Notes 
    Married:
    • There are two boys named John (John #3 and John #4 below) whose parents are listed on original documents as John and Mary Turner, baptised by W. Rooker, in the same church register, in Tavistock, Devon.

      John #1 Turner - possible father of John #2
      John #2 Turner - husband of Mary, listed as father of John #3 and
      John #3 Gubbins - b.5 Nov c 18 Nov 1817 (the "s" is clearly visible in the record)
      John #4 Turner - b. 20 Jan 1819 c.4 Feb 1819

      Soome possibilities:

      John (#3) Gubbins Turner died young - His parents (John #2 and Mary) re-used his name for John #4 as was common in that era. Following the British Isles naming convention, John #2 Turner's first son should be named after his father - John #1.  One problem with this theory is that a John Gubbins Turner with the same birth date as John #3 Gubbins was transported to Australlia and died there in 1888.  One problem with this theory is that John #4 Turner was not listed as John Gubbins in the christening book.  Perhaps an omission, or by design to differentiate, but an anomaly either way since the parents and the minister were the same.

      John (#3) Gubbins Turner was adopted - His biological mother possibly died when he was born, and perhaps his father (a Gubbins), was dead or unable to provide care.  Mary and John #2 would have reason to adopt him if John #3 Gubbins was Mary's nephew, possibly the son of her brother and his deceased wife. One additional point  supporting the adoption theory is Elizabeth "Eliza" Turner was b. 20 Nov 1816 slightly less than one year before John #3 Gubbins was born. It's somewhat unusual for births to be this close even at that time.  Subsequent children were more spaced out.  This theory is compatible with John #3 Gubbins dying in Australia in 1888.

      John (#4) - was John #2 and Mary's first biological son.  In this case "John #4 Turner" was not re-used, it was required by convention that he be named after John #1. [6]
    Family ID F2627  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family John Maunder,   b. Jan 1805, Bere Ferrers, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1 Mar 1866, Chelsea, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 61 years) 
    Married Jul 1856  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
    +1. John Henry Maunder,   b. 21 Feb 1858, Chelsea, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 25 Jan 1920, Brighton, Sussex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 61 years)
    Last Modified 17 May 2020 
    Family ID F3928  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - 20 Nov 1816 - Tavistock, Devon, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsChristened - 19 Dec 1816 - Tavistock, Devon, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarried - Jul 1856 - Tavistock, Devon, England Link to Google Earth
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  • Documents
    Elizabeth Turner - Baptism record
    Elizabeth Turner - Baptism record
    Name: Elizabeth Turner
    Birth Date: 20 Nov
    Event Type: Baptism
    Father: John Turner
    Mother: Mary Turner
    Baptism Date: 19 Dec 1816
    Baptism Place: Tavistock, Devon, England
    Denomination: Independent
    Piece Title: Piece 0451: Tavistock (Independent), 1796-1837

    Source Citation
    The National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; General Register Office: Registers of Births, Marriages and Deaths surrendered to the Non-parochial Registers Commissions of 1837 and 1857; Class Number: RG 4; Piece Number: 451

    Source Information
    Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013.
    1851 England Census - John Turner family
    1851 England Census - John Turner family
    Name: John Turner
    Age: 67
    Estimated birth year: abt 1784
    Relation: Head
    Spouse's name: Mary Turner
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Nth Petherwin, Devon, England
    Civil Parish: Tavistock
    County/Island: Devon
    Country: England
    Registration district: Tavistock
    Sub-registration district: Buckland
    Household schedule number: 22
    Piece: 1883
    Folio: 320
    Page Number: 5
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    John Turner 67
    Mary Turner 71
    Elizabeth Turner 35

    Source Citation
    Class: HO107; Piece: 1883; Folio: 320; Page: 5; GSU roll: 221032

    Source Information
    Ancestry.com. 1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.

    Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851.
    1861 England Census - John Maunder, Eliza Turner
    1861 England Census - John Maunder, Eliza Turner

  • Notes 
    • Ellen Smart notes:

      "Laura did figure out that Elizabeth (Eliza) Turner Maunder, of whom we have a photograph with her son, was Matilda's older sister.  She married John Maunder when she was 39 (England and Wales Marriage index), lived with her parents at least until she was 35 (1851 census)." [7]

  • Sources 
    1. [SAuth] John Spencer Howell, Jr., John Spencer Howell, Jr., (http://www.jhowell.com/ jhowell@jhowell.com).

    2. [S1714] Laura Smart, Laura Smart tree on Ancestry as of 17 May 2020.

    3. [S1815] England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970, National Archives of the UK, Name: Elizabeth Turner
      Birth Date: 20 Nov
      Event Type: Baptism
      Father: John Turner
      Mother:Mary Turner
      Baptism Date:19 Dec 1816
      Baptism Place:Tavistock, Devon, England
      Denomination: Independent
      Piece Title: Piece 0451: Tavistock (Independent), 17.

    4. [S1807] 1851 England and Wales Census, https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851&indiv=try&h=6781544.
      Name:      Elizabeth Turner
      Age:      35
      Estimated birth year:      abt 1816
      Relation:      Daughter
      Father's name:      John Turner
      Mother's name:      Mary Turner
      Gender:      Female
      Where born:      Tavistock, Devon, England
      Civil Parish:      Tavistock
      County/Island:      Devon
      Country:      England
      Street address:
      Occupation:
      Condition as to marriage:
      Disability:     
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      Registration district:      Tavistock
      Sub-registration district:      Buckland
      ED, institution, or vessel:      2a
      Neighbors:      View others on page
      Household schedule number:      22
      Piece:      1883
      Folio:      320
      Page Number:      5
      Household Members:     
      Name      Age
      John Turner      67
      Mary Turner      71
      Elizabeth Turner      35

    5. [S1197] 1861 English Census, https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8767&h=143691&usePUB=true&_phsrc=sJc217&_phstart=successSource.
      Name:      Eliza Maunder
      Age:      45
      Estimated birth year:      1816
      Relation:      Wife
      Spouse's name:      John Maunder
      Gender:      Female
      Where born:      Tavistock, Devon, England
      Civil Parish:      Chelsea
      Ecclesiastical parish:      Christchurch
      County/Island:      Middlesex
      Country:      England
      Street address:
      Occupation:
      Condition as to marriage:     
      View image
      Registration district:      Chelsea
      Sub-registration district:      Chelsea South
      ED, institution, or vessel:      9
      Neighbors:      View others on page
      Household schedule number:      60
      Piece:      31
      Folio:      59
      Page Number:      11
      Household Members:     
      Name      Age
      John Maunder      56
      Eliza Maunder      45
      John H Maunder      3

    6. [S518] John Spencer Howell, Jr., John Spencer Howell, Jr., (http://www.jhowell.com/ jhowell@jhowell.com), research notes.

    7. [S1600] Ellen Smart, Ellen Smart, (ellensmart@mac.com), Email to JSH 13 May 2020.