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Family: John Turner / Mary Gubbins (F2627)



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  • Father | Male
    John Turner

    Born  Abt 1784  Petherwin, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Died     
    Buried     
    Married     
    Father  J. Turner, Sr. | F3656 Group Sheet 
    Mother  Anne | F3656 Group Sheet 

    Mother | Female
    Mary Gubbins

    Born  1779  Bayton, Cornwall, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Died  Aft 1861  Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Buried     
    Father   
    Mother   

    Child 1 | Female
    + Elizabeth Turner, "Eliza"

    Born  20 Nov 1816  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Christened  19 Dec 1816  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Died  1902  Barnstaple, Devonshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Buried     
    Spouse  John Maunder | F3928 
    Married  Jul 1856  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location

    Child 2 | Male
    John Gubbins Turner

    Born  5 Nov 1817  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Christened  18 Nov 1817  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Died  1888  Australia Find all individuals with events at this location
    Buried     

    Child 3 | Male
    John Turner

    Born  20 Jan 1819  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Christened  4 Feb 1819  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Died     
    Buried     

    Matilda TurnerChild 4 | Female
    + Matilda Turner

    Born  1 Jul 1822  Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Christened  14 Aug 1822  Brook Street-Independent, Tavistock, Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Died  21 Sep 1905  Mountain View, Santa Clara Co., CA Find all individuals with events at this location
    Buried     
    Spouse  Erastus J. Burk | F111 
    Married  13 Jun 1842  Darlington Township, Durham County, Ontario, Canada Find all individuals with events at this location

    Child 5 | Female
    Jane Turner

    Born  1824   
    Died     
    Buried     

  • Notes  Married:
    • There are two boys named John (John #3 and John #4 below) whose parents are listed on original documents as John and Mary Turner, baptised by W. Rooker, in the same church register, in Tavistock, Devon.

      John #1 Turner - possible father of John #2
      John #2 Turner - husband of Mary, listed as father of John #3 and
      John #3 Gubbins - b.5 Nov c 18 Nov 1817 (the "s" is clearly visible in the record)
      John #4 Turner - b. 20 Jan 1819 c.4 Feb 1819

      Soome possibilities:

      John (#3) Gubbins Turner died young - His parents (John #2 and Mary) re-used his name for John #4 as was common in that era. Following the British Isles naming convention, John #2 Turner's first son should be named after his father - John #1.  One problem with this theory is that a John Gubbins Turner with the same birth date as John #3 Gubbins was transported to Australlia and died there in 1888.  One problem with this theory is that John #4 Turner was not listed as John Gubbins in the christening book.  Perhaps an omission, or by design to differentiate, but an anomaly either way since the parents and the minister were the same.

      John (#3) Gubbins Turner was adopted - His biological mother possibly died when he was born, and perhaps his father (a Gubbins), was dead or unable to provide care.  Mary and John #2 would have reason to adopt him if John #3 Gubbins was Mary's nephew, possibly the son of her brother and his deceased wife. One additional point  supporting the adoption theory is Elizabeth "Eliza" Turner was b. 20 Nov 1816 slightly less than one year before John #3 Gubbins was born. It's somewhat unusual for births to be this close even at that time.  Subsequent children were more spaced out.  This theory is compatible with John #3 Gubbins dying in Australia in 1888.

      John (#4) - was John #2 and Mary's first biological son.  In this case "John #4 Turner" was not re-used, it was required by convention that he be named after John #1. [1]

  • Sources 
    1. [S518] John Spencer Howell, Jr., John Spencer Howell, Jr., (http://www.jhowell.com/ jhowell@jhowell.com), research notes.