John Henry Maunder

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(Research):John Henry Maunder was an English composer and organist best known for his cantata "Olivet to Calvary."

Family/Spouse: Ellen Fanny Fulgoux Dakin. Ellen was born in Sep 1857 in Camberwell, Surrey, England; died on 23 Aug 1952 in Wandsworth, Greater London, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Winifred Mary Maunder was born about 1885 in Sydenham, London, England; died on 5 Jul 1959 in Wandsworth, Greater London, England; was buried in Brompton Cemetery, West Brompton, Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, Greater London, England.

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(Research):"Carpenter"

John married Elizabeth Turner, "Eliza" in Jul 1856 in Tavistock, Devon, England. Elizabeth (daughter of John Turner and Mary Gubbins) was born on 20 Nov 1816 in Tavistock, Devon, England; was christened on 19 Dec 1816 in Tavistock, Devon, England; died in 1902 in Barnstaple, Devonshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Ellen Smart notes:

"Laura did figure out that Elizabeth (Eliza) Turner Maunder, of whom we have a photograph with her son, was Matilda's older sister.  She married John Maunder when she was 39 (England and Wales Marriage index), lived with her parents at least until she was 35 (1851 census)."

J. married M.. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Occupation listed as "butcher" on the Devon baptism record for his daughter Matilda.

John married Mary Gubbins. Mary was born in 1779 in Bayton, Cornwall, England; died after 1861 in Devon, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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See attached sources.

(Research):1851 Census of England says she was born Bayton, Cornwall, England.  I had her previously listed as born in Poundstock, Cornwall.  They are close to each other and to Tavistock, with Bayton being the closest to Tavistock.

Ellen Smart email to JSH 13 May 2020 notes: "We understood from Mollie that Elizabeth Orchards and Richard Gubbin were Mary's parents, but I think that whoever told Mollie had it wrong, or she didn't remember exactly."

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Married:
There are two boys named John (John #3 and John #4 below) whose parents are listed on original documents as John and Mary Turner, baptised by W. Rooker, in the same church register, in Tavistock, Devon.

John #1 Turner - possible father of John #2
John #2 Turner - husband of Mary, listed as father of John #3 and
John #3 Gubbins - b.5 Nov c 18 Nov 1817 (the "s" is clearly visible in the record)
John #4 Turner - b. 20 Jan 1819 c.4 Feb 1819

Soome possibilities:

John (#3) Gubbins Turner died young - His parents (John #2 and Mary) re-used his name for John #4 as was common in that era. Following the British Isles naming convention, John #2 Turner's first son should be named after his father - John #1.  One problem with this theory is that a John Gubbins Turner with the same birth date as John #3 Gubbins was transported to Australlia and died there in 1888.  One problem with this theory is that John #4 Turner was not listed as John Gubbins in the christening book.  Perhaps an omission, or by design to differentiate, but an anomaly either way since the parents and the minister were the same.

John (#3) Gubbins Turner was adopted - His biological mother possibly died when he was born, and perhaps his father (a Gubbins), was dead or unable to provide care.  Mary and John #2 would have reason to adopt him if John #3 Gubbins was Mary's nephew, possibly the son of her brother and his deceased wife. One additional point  supporting the adoption theory is Elizabeth "Eliza" Turner was b. 20 Nov 1816 slightly less than one year before John #3 Gubbins was born. It's somewhat unusual for births to be this close even at that time.  Subsequent children were more spaced out.  This theory is compatible with John #3 Gubbins dying in Australia in 1888.

John (#4) - was John #2 and Mary's first biological son.  In this case "John #4 Turner" was not re-used, it was required by convention that he be named after John #1.

J. married Anne. Anne was born in 1775; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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